"What are you trying to say?" Felicia asks in surprise.

"I'm just saying," Eva says trying to stay strong. She knows that she has to tread this lightly because she can't make it seem like she is on Frederick's side completely. "I think what he did, he did out of some kind of goodness."

"I can't believe you're defending him!" Felicia snaps back at her, shocked that Eva is suggesting that Frederick was somehow justified in brainwashing her.

"No, I'm not defending him," Eva quickly replies to her. "I'm just saying that maybe one day, there can be forgiveness in all of this."